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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 29, 2008 7:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

Of course, I am not going to be ANY help to you, but as JOTS and I were ragging on one another the other day about my obsession, I realized how little I knew of the songs they did post 85 or so (not only did I stop going by then, but I really didn't keep up with them at all, song selection wise, etc.).

So, weren't the last releases in 89/90? Were there any new Hunter tunes post 89 or so? How embarrassing to ask--but does anyone know the date of the last Hunter/Garcia penned tune? Were they part of the Built to Last release? I really should know this--it may come up on the DEAD trivia game the kids got me. Did Hunter keep working with them right up to 95, or were the last tunes he helped on the BtLast contributions?

What struck me in that discussion with Johnny, and others hereabouts, is how many covers they did in the latter yrs, esp ones that I just couldn't imagine (eg, TalkHeads, etc.).

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 29, 2008 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

I can't help with much new song stuff, either...especially since I think 'built to last' and songs they penned in that era are among some of the worst ever. Man, I hate that album.

anyway, earlier era stuff that never appeared on an official release could include the amazing version of "Man Smart Women Smarter" from 4/19/82...the Ravenspace show.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 29, 2008 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

agreed grendel ( except I like Victim ) however I think they would have had some good ones on the last album if they didnt overproduce it like BTL/ I love the last disc on SMR. Of ocurse there woul dhave been some REAL embarrssing moments too like any Phil or Vince song

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 29, 2008 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

Victim was certainly better live (as was Foolish Heart, tho' I still don't care for it all that much)...

I can't imagine what Vince songs would have been given how atrocius Brent songs were (as Jon Stewart might add in his best New Jersey accent, btw: "no disrespect").

btw, anyone get the new Road Trips discs yet? I have listened to both the regular and bonus disc and give it about a 6 out of 10...maybe need to go back and listen again...I actually like the "Eyes" from 9/18/90 included on the Bonus disc, despite Vince's HEAVY candy-kane keys...it's well-paced and jammed...) but the main section of Dark Star>PITB>Dark Star from the 9/20/90 show really underwhelmed me. I think i should have held off on buying this one.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 29, 2008 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

i have an AUD of 9-20 and have never seen a reason to upgrade and certainly not BUY a release. I think 89-91 was the last consistant worthwhile run for the band ( ironically considering I dislike the Built to Last songs as much as you )with lost of hot moments but I've always thought 9-20 was over blown

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 29, 2008 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

Tell, according to David Gans Days Between was the last Hunter/Garcia collaboration.

What Talking HEads tune did they cover? Take me to the River is Al Green I think but Weirs version does sound alot more like Byrnes

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 29, 2008 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

Whoops! My bad--I was thinking the River tune was the one by the THeads, and that it was "theirs" not Al's...I didn't realize there was more than one, or if the same tune, that Byrnes didn't write it...

Anyway, bottom line is it seemed they really explored lots of different tunes in those later yrs!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 29, 2008 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

" Anyway, bottom line is it seemed they really explored lots of different tunes in those later yrs! "

True. No argueing that BUT show me any band or musician that really can even be HALF as interesting in their later years than their prime? It's kind of a fact or life. When I compare the Dead to allmost any of their contemporaries there's no comparison. Now there are the Richard Thompsons, Jazz artists, and others I am forgetting that have maintained their artistic integrity for as long BUT these artists also have a small independent following or niche. Show me ONE real peer of the Dead that was half as interesting in their later years. Look what happened to CSN, Clapton, the WHO, to just to name a few. I've seen a lot of shows through the years. Enough to compare to the band and say there was PLENTY of magic in the band 89-91 ( the primary years I saw them ) even regardless of how sappy their later writing was.

I just realized I misread what you said. I thought you meant they WEREN'T exploring diffrent tunes. Either way I don't disagree with your previous statement of the band being more stagnant in later years

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 29, 2008 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

I only have one artist to mention that I believe is putting out music as vital as they did at an earlier age, befitting the duration of the Dead, though admittedly without the size of catalogue.


That would be Peter Gabriel.

The man is still unflinching in his desire to produce music with no condescension.

I also like Todd Rundgren, but you all knew that.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 29, 2008 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

I totally agree re Gabriel.
New Gabriel tour coming - he's already got Mexico dates for March. And since Tony Levin not touring with Crimson this coming year, assume he's got him and Marotta back in the band.

Nice that JOTS gave a mention to Richard Thompson (I'm among that devoted niche)

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 29, 2008 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

And Nick Cave.

I just got the new David Byrne/Brian Eno... but I haven't listened to it yet...

What? Am I still the only TR head?

By the way... Valley Road... I just heard it from 12.30.90... BAD SONG!!!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 29, 2008 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

" By the way... Valley Road... I just heard it from 12.30.90... BAD SONG!!! "

That's a Hornsby tune and they only did it a few times I think. There's one guy I didn't give ANY credit to until he blew me away. I saw him and the range open for Fogerty ( he didnt do any CCR so he sucked too ). I liked the message of the way it is but the show was a SNORE fest. When I saw my first post Brent show ( 12-3-90 )I thought he was going to help turn the Dead into a yuppie Bonnie Raitt sort of band the way they ALL seem to go ( Clapton, Winwood, etc. ) but he kicked them up more than a notch on that grand piano. No question about it.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 29, 2008 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

>>help turn the Dead into a yuppie Bonnie Raitt sort of band the way they ALL seem to go>>

Man I thought Bonnie Raitt played very well with the GD! I only saw her once or 2x at New Years one year. She seemed to have a heart playing slide.

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Dec 29, 2008 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

I held that same exact fear about Bruce, but was soon pleasantly surprised.Goes to show...

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 30, 2008 4:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

I really liked Bruce and his addition to the band. I thought that the smartest thing they could have done would have been to augment Vinny's synth would have been to keep Bruce at the ivories. Not to be, however.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 29, 2008 4:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

whilst not peers of the GD, certainly i'd add Sonic Youth to those artists who have maintained their musical integrity to a greater extent than most; i'd throw Patti Smith in that category as well, though i'm only familiar with her live stuff, and not any of her official releases post 'Wave'; and more aligned timewise with the GD, is Loudon Wainwright, great song-writer, great singer, always true to form, even if a few of his later era albums were a bit of a letdown (for me anyway), but i'm biased toward his Rounder years and prior

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 29, 2008 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

BTW, Happy 62nd to Ms. Smith today - and she's playing tonight.

While I LOVE Patti, the thing about her is that she, admirably in my opinion, took off many, many years from playing and releasing music to raise a family with her late husband, Fred "Sonic" Smith. Perhaps many others would still be around if they had taken a similar approach...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 29, 2008 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

it's a good point about Patti, and you have to respect her doing that, but really, it's not so surprising given her outlook and philosophy; another one, who was pretty bigtime, is Debbie Harry, taking time out from show biz to care for Chris Stein ... kinda threw her career off-track, but you gotta respect what she did; shame that there are many more examples of big media stars who thought more of their career than the one they were with

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 29, 2008 4:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

As an example of someone who hasn't just weathered the years but in many ways has matured and improved over time I'd suggest Jeff Beck. His playing can be astonishing - making it sound like he's chanelling dangerous energies through his guitar with complete assurance and total control.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 30, 2008 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

I'd add Tom Waits to the list of those who still do it right.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 30, 2008 6:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Last GD album

that 80 year old stripper from Vegas that was on Inside Edition (or some such show) last night also apparently can still do it right. (with the help of a plethora of cosmetic surgery i would imagine)




was this supposed to be about music???